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On this episode, Bill catches up with journalist Chris Cuomo. They get into Chris’s current life since his CNN exit, why he’s suing to clear his name, and reflect on the media’s “scalp-hunting” mentality. Chris opens up about growing up in a political dynasty under his father Mario and working closely with his brother Andrew, how policy fights don’t always match party ideals, and what it’s like navigating scandal in a 24/7 news cycle. They swap thoughts on Trump’s flair for the dramatic, America’s appetite for outrage, the “defund the police” debate, how we lost the art of joking about sensitive topics, and why it’s vital to push back against extremes on either side. Throughout the conversation, Bill and Chris find common ground in calling out hypocrisy, highlighting nuance in politics, and believing we shouldn’t judge people by their worst moments—and they close out with some friendly banter on self-defense, fatherhood, and the value of letting go of grudges.

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